Firefighter and Freediver Nathan Lucas on how fire shapes water, and Sophie Morgan on the best free underwater film school in the world.

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Season two of the Deep Blue Podcast is brought to you by Sunto. Finnish engineering, pirating adventure from mountaintop to ocean floor since 1936. Sunto. Welcome to the Deeper Blue Podcast, your weekly guide to everything that is happening around the world underwater. My name is Stephen Whelan. I'm the founder of Deeperblue.com, the world's most popular diving website. Every week, the Deeper Blue Podcast covers everything that's happening in the scuba diving, freediving, diving travel, and ocean advocates world. So join us as we explore the Deeper Blue. Hi everyone. Welcome to episode two of season two of the Deeper Blue Podcast. In this episode, you can look forward to the latest freediving, scuba diving, ocean and diving travel news that's happened in the last week from around the world underwater. Then co-host Lyndon Walbert talks to firefighter, free dive and spearfishing instructor, and freelance photographer Nathan Lucas. Nathan tells us about how freediving has shaped how he mentally heads into a fire and a surprising story about what happens when you make a sea lion bull jealous. We then hear from underwater wildlife storyteller and producer Sophie Morgan, whose work has included Blue Planet 2 and Hostile Planet. Sophie tells us about how the greatest underwater film school is free. And then finally, our best dive ever is from Chris William this week. For the news this week, we're adjusting the format slightly. Jason and I will be taking you through the diving in ocean news this week together. Now, while I can already hear so many of you rejoicing as you now realize you don't need to listen to me drone on by myself, obviously this is a change, and what we'd love to hear from you is what you think about the new format and whether this is something that we should make a more permanent way of doing the news. Three or two or one section. There's a Czech free diver called David Vinkel, who's announced plans.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Wait, are we supposed to say that this is the news section? Are we gonna say that at all?

SPEAKER_04 2:31

Well, I was gonna say anything about that.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

I'm leaving all this in. This is just the news, right? I'm just giving you the news. Peter Vinkel. Peter Vinkel. David Winkle. David Vinkel.

SPEAKER_04 2:45

So Czech freediver Dave Vinkel has announced plans to attempt to break Stig Severinson's eight-year-old Guinness record for swimming under ice. So this is a fairly niche and specialist form of freediving where people swim as far as they can under ice.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

I've noticed it says he's swimming 76.2 meters under ice, right? That's the whole thing. He's gonna go swim down a hole or ice hole, right? Go 76.2 meters under ice to come up again. It'll be a world record, which is exactly 76.2 meters further under the ice than I ever want to go.

SPEAKER_04 3:20

Well, actually, he's trying to swim 80 meters. The previous record was 76.2. And I think what he said that it's not the distance that's the problem, it's the cold.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

Sure. I was once on a shoot in Tanzania, and my buddy, we were close to Kilimanjaro, and he said, Let's go climb that mountain. And I was like, I have no desire to climb that mountain. Why would I go climb that mountain? And this is I find this fascinating about human beings that I don't want to run a marathon, I don't want to swim under the ice, I don't want to climb Kilomanjaro, and yet there are people that find tremendous satisfaction in this. I find that fascinating. I just find it fascinating that people push themselves in these ways where they actually, it's super dangerous.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

It's a challenge, I think, would be super dangerous, not doing it by themselves, and like they don't just go to some random piece of ice, dig a hole, and off they go. There's a bit of planning and logistics to go around it. I actually know Stick Severinson who set the previous record very, very well. Interestingly, you talk about going and feeling inspired to do stuff. One thing I feel very inspired to do, and I've always wanted to do, was go diving with great white sharks. But I thought it would be South Africa that there are some challenges in South Africa about Great Whites. These used to be a huge tourist draw, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:25

Yes, that's people would go there for their shark dives, right? It's kind of like a bucket list kind of thing, climbrus, shark dive, great whites, South Africa. Drive a Formula One car, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 4:34

Great whites. So the reports are that there haven't been many Great White sightings in the last two years of South Africa, which is astonishing considering how prolific they were everywhere. And this is a huge touristy thing.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

Well, yeah, we've all seen the documentaries about the Great Whites chewing up sea lands all along the coast area. I was reading in that article. They think it might be attributed to climate change, but they said the last couple of years there have not been a lot of sharks in South Africa. And it's not only worrisome, but it's also their tourism industry is suffering because of this as well.

SPEAKER_04 5:06

Interesting, it could be a number of different reasons. They're not sure why. So climate change could be one of them. They also have an idea that overfishing by local fishing boats, which has depleted the shark's food supply, could be another thing, or that there's been an influx of orcas that's a result in some of the deaths of the sharks, which has now pushed them away.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

So there's that they're not sure, is probably the So all of those are terrible that the shark populations are declining, but how badass is that? If there's an orca versus shark war going on, that would be incredible.

SPEAKER_04 5:34

That sounds like a fantastic film. Shark, orca, nadar.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Shark versus orca. Well, I do work with Discovery Channel as a photographer, so I could bring it up to them. So maybe shark versus orca war shark versus orca, right? That's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_04 5:50

Okay. Well, I'll I'll wait to hear what Discovery have to say. I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

I'll pitch it to them. What's next?

SPEAKER_04 5:57

So uh film orientated as well. So there's a new film out about the legacy of the legendary Jacques Cousteau, and this is now available on streaming. It's called My Father, The Captain, Jacques Yves Cousteau, and it's part of the Ocean Future Society virtual film festival. Lots of unseen footage in here from the uh 40s and 50s.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

So she it's about Jacques Cousteau. She made a film about her father.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

Yes. Yes, it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

That's pretty cool. That's very cool. Two things about this. First off, most of the people that we talk to on this show, when we talk about like, well, how did you get in this? Like, I would say a good 50% of them, if they're a certain age, talk about Jacques Cousteau being one of the people that really inspired them to kind of get involved in the ocean thing. The second thing is, is like there's a lot of people that trade off a name, right? There's a lot, you know, the Hiltons of the world that trade off of their family name and they don't really do much. But I will say that, you know, if you were at a cocktail party and you met a Cousteau, you'd be like, holy crap, there's a Cousteau here. And yet they are people that don't just trade off their name. I believe almost every single one of that family has continued in their father's tradition, right? Like they're all super involved and engaged, which is very impressive.

SPEAKER_04 7:03

Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

Do you think the Wayland children will trade off of your name?

SPEAKER_04 7:07

Well, it's the Wheland children, not the Wayland children. But uh, you know, I'll go after the channel. As business partners, you think I would as business partners, you think I would know that. Well, I tell you what, so my kids are more likely to be following the footsteps of our lovely co-host Lyndon as a mermaid rather than uh being thinking, Oh, my eldest is dead set on learning to dive as soon as possible. She's eight this year, says she can go and do oh, we'll make her or seal team as an eight-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

So yeah, my two-year-old says he wants to get in the ocean all the time. He said he doesn't really know how to say scuba diving, he says scuba dive, but he wants to do it.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

That sounds like how you pronounce it.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

What's next?

SPEAKER_04 7:43

This is interesting. So this one you were talking to me about. So this one is about cartels in the Sea of Cortez. So you tell me about this one.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

So this is a pretty crazy story. So there is an endangered porpoise called the Vaquita porpoise in the Sea of Cortez, and it is at severe risk of extinction due to illegal gill net fishing as a bycatch from these crazy fish called Totowaba. So these Totowabas are are also endangered and illegal, but their bladder goes for 20,000 to 80,000 on the Chinese.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

23,000 per kilo.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Per kilo on the so the cartels have kind of gotten into this now, recognizing there's a whole thing like a couple years ago when the price of limes went up because cartels got into the price of limes. We couldn't get limes here in Los Angeles for a while because it was so expensive. So right now they are illegally fishing these totawabas, they catch this byproduct of the porpoises, and so now environmentalists that are trying to save the porpoise and the totawaba are having to fight cartels as if conservation wasn't a challenging enough job, anyways. But now you actually have to wear balaclavas and go in and like blackface zodiacs and like it's just crazy. Props to them. It's kind of like the cove idea when you do it. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 9:10

Yeah, being special forces almost and being in the cover of darkness doing stuff. Crazy story, crazy, crazy story. So what's next? So this is a pretty cool one, actually. There's an auction of some amazing antique diving stuff, basically. So over 300 lots online only. It is the nation's attic scuba memorabilia, and the online auction is happening on Saturday, March the 6th. And they've got things like collection of high-grade double hose regulators. So, like you see on Rebreathers these days, all the technical stuff, the two hoses coming out of the thing.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

That's the how that used to be in the good old or from like Sea Hunt, the way it used to work on Sea Hunt back in the day.

SPEAKER_04 9:48

Sea Hunt, James Bonds, good old James Thunderbolts.

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That's exactly right. But there's also like other cool stuff. There's cool depth gauges, but oh man, those are beautiful. One of them's going for 50 bucks. That's super cool. And then they have all these awesome old timey dive helmets. It's like a good lamp. You can make a good lamp out of that.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

I I think the reader thing that really interests me is actually they've also got a collection of hands and Lottie Hass, who are two legendary divers and filmmakers and conservationists in the diving industry. They've got a bunch of equipment, including one of the Drago Rebreathers that they used. That's cool as well on sale. So that's that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

There's some really cool stuff in here. Man, oh man. Okay. Well, then oh, look at that. U.S. Navy SEAL combat manual from 1974. It's going for 35 bucks right now.

SPEAKER_04 10:34

So it sounds like everyone's gonna have to beat you to it on March the 6th. They're gonna be uh fighting with you, Jason, to uh to get stuff.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Yeah, that's right. Some cool boots there, too. Okay, so what's next?

SPEAKER_04 10:44

Next one is so apparently in Texas at the moment, you're having a bit of trouble with the old weather. It's usually a British problem, but yes, it's something for Texas getting pretty cold. And it is cold stunning turtles that are now washing up on the shoreline of Texas, and there's volunteers are basically racing around trying to save all these turtles from dying, basically.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

It's it's pretty crazy. Here in the States, it's pretty crazy. We have some good friends in Texas. I have one good friend in Austin and also Brady Hale, who we both know is in Texas as well. This climate issue doesn't just affect us, it's actually affecting the entire environment around it, which is pretty incredible.

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By the time this goes to air, three and a half thousand comatose turtles have been moved for rehabilitation into the town's convention center.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

That's incredible.

SPEAKER_04 11:30

They have to basically warm the animal's body up slowly using tops and kiddie pools to slowly bring up the temperature so they don't cause them any more trouble.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

Props to them for doing that, for sure. I think this is it's a South Padria Island, I believe. That's the convention center where they're doing this, right?

SPEAKER_04 11:46

Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Yeah. The people that live there are obviously going through the same kind of thing that everyone else is, where they're losing their power, they're having to burn their furniture and stuff to stay warm, right? And then you have them, even in that environment, showing up for turtles. Very impressed. More props to them. I give them that.

SPEAKER_04 12:01

So this is a pretty cool one. There's a casting call that's gone out for a new TV show. So this TV show is by the producers of programs that I've heard about but never watched, I have to say. Is uh Wicked Tuna and Fast and Loud. They are producers are looking for individuals with a passion for sharks to join a new and exciting on-camera team. It's gonna be shot off the eastern seaboard of the United States and it's going to be exploring shark behavior and American shark mythology.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

So I think that the casting call says you don't have to necessarily be a shark aficionado, you don't have to be an expert, you don't have to actually really even be that into shark, you just have to be adventurous and want to get in the water. As an aside, I work as a commercial advertising photographer, and I have shot the ad campaigns for Fast and Loud for many, many years. So probably if this show goes to air, you might be seeing me come out and shoot the ad campaign for it if you're on the show.

SPEAKER_04 12:56

So there you are, listeners. If you get onto this show, you get to hang out with the producer of this podcast.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

If that's not enticing enough for you, I don't know what is.

SPEAKER_04 13:05

Goodness me. Sign me up. Sign me up.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

I will say this. I since I have shot so many ad campaigns for reality shows, one of the things I do think is very interesting about you re- people on reality shows really do get to live an extraordinary life for a period of time. If you were to go down this show, there would probably be a lot of incredible life experiences that you would hard to replicate in any other way. Where is the link for this? What's it what is it Pilgrim?

SPEAKER_04 13:28

Well, if you go to deeperblue.com, you can have a look at the news on there.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

I think it is Pilgrim Studios. I think I've worked with them a bunch of times. So I think does that take us to our last story?

SPEAKER_04 13:37

So this last one. So this is one that you you you highlighted to me, Jason, and somehow I think you think this is of interest to me. I do. So this one is divers have retrieved century-old beer bottles from a shipwrecked vessel. These are beer bottles that have been underwater for just over a hundred years. And divers from Global Underwater Explorers, which is one of the agencies out there, picked up from the vessel Wellachia, which sank after a collision in the Clyde.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

Is it Wallachia or Wallachia?

SPEAKER_04 14:05

Well, you tell me.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

I uh Was it schedule or schedule? But it's not just the beer bottles. These are full beers. They still have the caps on them, and it's beautiful old bottles when you see it online.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

And the good thing is it's it's not too far away from me. It's in the UK. The beer bottles were brewed in the Bass Brewery, which is a brewery that still exists.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Oh, Bassale?

SPEAKER_04 14:24

Bassale is one of the ones. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

This is uh pretty cool. I don't know why something I'm currently not drinking, so I don't know why you are uh you're highlighting.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

I know we're on Steven 2.0, but Stephen 1.0 would have been very interested in these bottles from the bottom of the ocean that he could crack open at some point. And I would encourage, I'm sure, you know, this is obviously the most popular podcast in the world, so I'm sure that the people that dove this ship are listening. It'd be nice if you sent one bottle to Steven. Poor guy. He's in lockdown. I think he would really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 14:55

Thanks. Thanks, Jason. Appreciate it. Yes. So that's it from the news this week. Remember, you can catch up on all the latest news and happenings around the world underwater by heading to deeperblue.com or checking us out on social media. And finally, if you like what you've heard, please take a moment and tell your friends and loved ones about the podcast. We rely on you, our passionate listeners and ocean advocates, to help spread the word about this podcast.

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You're listening to the world's only weekly podcast for scuba diving, free diving, dive travel, and ocean advocacy. I'm Hugh Pearson, a wildlife filmmaker who specializes in working at sea. And this is the Deeper Blue Podcast.

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Hi, this is Jason Elias, producer of the Deeper Blue Podcast. In today's episode, Deeper Blue co-host Lyndon Wolbert speaks with Nathan Lucas, firefighter, freedive, and spirit fishing instructor, founder of apneaaddicts.com, and freelance photographer. Nathan speaks a bit about how freediving has shaped how he mentally heads into a fire. And surprisingly, what happens when you make a sea lion bull jealous?

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Nathan, I'm curious. How does it feel to work regularly with both fire and water? And how did you get into freediving and photography?

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Photography's been around since my early days in college, but combining the two passions together was kind of the unique thing that really inspired more photography from me. As far as freediving goes, remember since I drove by the coast and saw dolphins out there, I wanted to get as close to them as possible. And I guess one thing leads to another, and you start snorkeling a little bit and you go a little further, and then taking classes and such, it just made me jump in even more. Slowly but surely, it became kind of a passion and something that you know not only used to make a little side cash from, but also something that I used to escape and give me a good mental hygiene. So I called it advanced snorkeling back then, but been free diving since I was 15 or 16 years old when I really started diving into it.

SPEAKER_05 17:03

You know, it's so interesting to me that you spend your days or many of them putting out fires. And then here it seems almost like this equalizing environment for you to then submerge yourself after that.

SPEAKER_07 17:14

Fire's way too hot, so then I have to go to the water, you know, you gotta cool off a bit. There is actually a beauty in fighting fire, especially when you're teaching it and you're teaching the rollovers, and there is a weird parallel to it that there's a moment where time starts to slow down when you're going to the interior of a building, you see the fire starting to roll over and you're penciling the ceiling. And the same thing happens when you're on a free dive and you're in that sweet spot where you're in that almost like a yoga savasana where you're drifting down, you're in a free fall, and your mind just goes blank, and then you just kind of go based on rather than what normal people might have a fight or flight response, you're on a train response, and your body is in the zone, and they both kind of have that similar type of focus when you get into that crux of it. Honestly, I think freediving's actually made me become an even better firefighter because you're aware of your breath and how much you control your body through your breath, and when you're not breathing, there is a parallel to that where you become mentally aware and you take over your own body as opposed to letting your mind control you, you control your mind and your body. And there's something really beautiful about that. And I found that that's a very interesting parallel to both careers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:22

Nathan, I'm so curious to know because you have done, I'm sure, thousands of free dives, and I know you surf as well, you've been under the water a lot. But take us on a dive with you. Is there a moment that you just knew that this is your element or an experience that is quintessential to your relationship with the ocean?

SPEAKER_07 18:43

There's so many moments, but if I'm gonna combine the two favorite things that I have into one moment, I was on a photo shoot to photograph the sea lions down in La Hoya, and I had this stunning moment with a female sea lion and a bull. I was using a lot of the free dive tips that I used how to entice an animal over using your body language. And here I'm doing this algorithmically in my head, and I'm coercing this beautiful animal toward me. As I'm doing that, I'm seeing that response, and there was a moment where you locked eyes together, and I'm photographing this, and literally like time disappeared. Any kind of thought about a breath hold melted away, and there was just the beautiful moment underwater as this female was flirting with me underwater, and I was able to capture that on camera. There was this stunning moment where her eyes and she's putting her nose toward the camera, and she's doing all this playful behavior, and then I come to the surface and I get another breathe up, and she wants me to come down and play again with her. So I'm capturing this all on camera, and I can't believe that I'm not only using the same techniques that I speak about, but then also at the same time capturing it. And then lo and behold, I made her boyfriend jealous, and then he charged me. And I was able to capture that using the same techniques to now send off the predator, having to experience all those things in the same moment. Being able to capture that was something that was beautiful.

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The world underwater every week. Hi, I'm King of Phillips, journalist and ocean advocate, and you are listening to the best 30 minutes about diving, the deeper blue podcast.

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The deeper blue podcast is brought to you by Cindel. So, one of the things we're going to talk about today is how a lot of the Cinto Dive computers now have a PSI bar on the screen, making diving easier as all your information is on one screen. Now, for someone that floats through the water like I do, like a piece of dead seaweed.

SPEAKER_04 21:20

You said floats some last time, and I was on the top. It's an image that I like.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

I float along, I float along a piece of seaweed tangled around a log. That's how I that's my diving skill set. I will have to say that I really do appreciate the idea of taking everything off of my plate because I'm basically just down there surviving. And so if I can have a watch like that that just tells me exactly what I need to know with a quick glance, that's pretty epic. I do like that. Now I know it goes to all kinds of professional level people, like people like you know, down to deadwood like me.

SPEAKER_04 21:52

Deadwood. So look, this stuff is pretty cool. I remember starting my journey in diving where you had your tank pressure gauge that you You had to take a look at, and you know, I was always obsessively checking it. And then so I started becoming dive master and then instructor, and so on. I started checking obsessively all the people who are around me.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

And then Sunto also has what watches for the dive masters so that they can actually see what other people are doing. So if it's someone like you, Dive Master, that has someone like me, dead wood on the trip. Slotsum, piece of seaweed drifting in the in the surge, then you can also be watching out for me. Basically, I just want to make sure that I'm safe. So I need you to say make sure I'm safe by looking at your watch, which that's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

It is. And I think if I remember correctly, some of them connect up to 20 of these little they've got what they call a pod, which attaches to your incredible cylinder, and and it can connect to up to so like the Cunto Ian Core and Ian Steel can connect to you know 20 of these things. So you can't pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

I also like I like the old names that Cunto's chosen, copper, steel. Like I like these names, they're they're exciting to me. I'm obviously very easily influenced by marketing language.

SPEAKER_04 23:02

Well let's we'll let Sunto know that you're easily persuaded around it. So uh they should target some messaging to you.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

That's exactly right. Well, thank you for sponsoring the podcast, Sunto.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Today's top tip comes from Sophie Morgan, an underwater filmmaker and producer whose work includes Blue Planet 2, Hostel Planet, and dropping sometime this year, Tiny World. And Sophie mentions how one of the greatest underwater film schools out there is free.

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So my top tip as a wildlife storyteller is really if you want to get into the industry, it's great to have a passion for natural history. It's great to have a bit of dive experience, but learn the storytelling craft too. Wildlife filming has absolutely leapt forward. And the greatest school out there is free. And what you should do is watch wildlife documentaries, look at the sequences that these brilliant talents have done to set them and learn that way how we give a fish character.

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Finally, every episode we share a story from you, the dive community, where we ask you to tell us about your best dive ever.

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I'm Chris Gilliam. I'm in England, in Gloucestershire, in lockdown. My best dive ever is always the dive that I'm diving. I'm still alive, I'm underwater. That's absolutely the best. We're in Cuba in the late 1990s. Our dive guides don't have dive computers. Their gear is old, well used, and patched with a combination of string, gaffer tape, and bits of bent wire. We donated a mask, our box of spares and all our spare o-rings on the first day. I'll leave my running shoes on the last day. I've logged sixty dives and my buddy has logged just ten. Her certification allows her to dive to eighteen meters. Our dive starts in shallow water. We follow our guide to a trench. The trench begins to descend gently at first and then more steeply. The sides of the trench converge above us. Some light gets in, but we're essentially in a tunnel. We continue downwards into the gloom. Eventually we emerge from a vertical wall that faces south. The sunlight penetrates to where we are, but the colours are muted to a deep indigo. There's just the wall, the ocean and four divers. Below us there is darkness. Above us there is light. I check my computer. My heart rate doubles and I lose a couple of lungfuls of air. We're at forty five meters and we have one minute no stop time. I'm vaguely aware that the nearest decompression chamber is in Florida, and we've just invalidated our insurance. We slowly ascend towards the light, all the while with one minute no stop time on our computers. We're alive. We're in the water. It's the best.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

We'd love to hear your story about diving. So at the end of the show, you'll find out all the info you need to submit your best dive ever. Thanks for listening to the Deeper Blue Podcast. Find out more on all the stories you've heard this week, plus connect to the world's largest online dive community at deeperblue.com. And if you like what you've heard, please subscribe, like, and comment wherever you hear your podcasts. These comments and subscribes really make a difference. The DeeperBlue Podcast is brought to you by Sunto, Finnish Engineering Pioneering Adventure from Mountaintop to Ocean Floor since 1936. Sunto. Before we go, I want to give a big shout out to Jason Elias, our producer. In case you didn't know, he has an amazing podcast about people who have a deep connection to our world's oceans. Connections strong enough that they've dedicated some part of their lives to being in or working on behalf of the water. Take a listen when you get a moment to Jason's show, the Big Deep Podcast. Every week, we want to hear your stories and share them with the world. So please record and send in your short story of your best dive ever. Keep it brief, no longer than two minutes, please. And in it, tell us your name and location, where you were on the dive, what happened that make it so great, and why it's meant so much to you. You can get that over to us at bestdiveever at deeperblue.com, or head to our website podcast.deeperblue.com forward slash best dive ever. Join us again next week and explore much more of the Deeper Blue.