Sophie Morgan on Why Filming Underwater is Way Way Better, and Tony Myshlaev on Mastering Your Craft

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Season two of the Deep Blue Podcast is brought to you by Sunto. Finnish engineering, pirating adventure from mountaintop to ocean floor since 1936. Sunto. Welcome to the Deeper Blue Podcast, your weekly guide to everything that is happening around the world underwater. My name is Stephen Whelan. I'm the founder of DeeperBlue.com, the world's most popular diving website. Every week, the Deeper Blue Podcast covers everything that's happening in the scuba diving, free diving, diving travel, and ocean advocates world. So join us as we explore the Deeper Blue.

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Hi everyone and welcome to the Deeper Blue Podcast. This is Jason Ulius, producer of the podcast, and I'm taking over the episode today as our regular host, Steven Whelan, founder of DeeperBlue.com, has a bit of a bug. But he'll be back next week. In today's episode, we start off with the news of the week underwater with myself and Deeper Blue co-host Lyndon Wolbert, better known in Hollywood and the underwater world as Mermaid Linden. Then I speak with Sophie Morgan, an underwater filmmaker and producer whose work includes Blue Planet 2, Hostile Planet, and dropping sometime later this year, Tiny World. And she shares how even after all of her experiences underwater, she still finds herself amazed. Then our top tip comes from Tony Meshlayev, or Tones of Blue, as he is known on Instagram. And he talks about mastering his craft. And then finally, four-time world champion free diver and holder of multiple Guinness World Records, Stig Severenson shares his best dive ever. So with that, on to the news. Hi, Lyndon.

SPEAKER_05 1:59

So lovely to hear and see you today.

SPEAKER_08 2:02

Yes, absolutely. So, uh Lyndon, let's start talking about some of the most interesting things that have happened in the underwater news this last week. Do you have a story you want to start us off with?

SPEAKER_05 2:11

I actually am fascinated by a news study that is happening. Scientists are developing a new observation network for the ocean's twilight zone. Now, the twilight zone is an area that is dimly lit. There's very little known about it. And Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute is looking to gather this data. And it's about 200 to 1,000 meters deep or 650 to 3,200 feet deep in the ocean that they're studying.

SPEAKER_08 2:42

That's super cool. So how are they how are they doing this new network? What do you know what it is? Does it have cool robots? Are there cool robots?

SPEAKER_05 2:48

They're using several different technologies with freaking lasers coming out of their freaking heads. Maybe. But there are several different technologies, and they're going to be using some moored buoys equipped with acoustic survey systems, optical and geochemical sensors, and a new fish tracking tag system that will continuously record the position of major predators such as sharks and tuna.

SPEAKER_08 3:12

So super cool.

SPEAKER_05 3:14

Yeah, this is very cool. You know, this is kind of like the the great wide open area uh where there's just a lot of who knows what.

SPEAKER_08 3:22

Yeah, I think that's one of the coolest things about the ocean. We all, obviously, you, me, everyone that listens to this podcast is a big fan of being in the water and we have an intimate knowledge of a certain aspect of the ocean because we can only go so deep, right? But we also are aware that when you like when you're looking at the reef, it's super cool. And then you turn around and you look at the deep blue and you're like, what is out there? And I think the adventure of not knowing what's out there and kind of seeing that's that's really engaging. That's very, very appealing.

SPEAKER_05 3:48

It is cool, especially because you know, we're pretty shallow as divers, really. In the grand scheme of the ocean, we're pretty shallow. Right. And it's really neat because so marine radio chemist Ken Busler from Woods Hole is comparing this new observation network to a quote, field of dreams, unquote. So there's so much possibility to just understand the infrastructure of this very little known place.

SPEAKER_08 4:11

That's so cool. I mean, we're also excited about like the Mars lander. We're also interested in what's there, and yet we don't even know what's going on on our own planet. So that's super exciting. Okay, cool. So I've got a story here. So this one is a little this one maybe is a little less fun and exciting. Uh, but this is something that we in the dive community can kind of all talk about. We all obviously know we've been going through this pandemic and lockdown, which has kept us all at home for a long, long time, and we're all itching to get those shots in our arms so that we can get back out and diving. But the state of the industry right now is pretty rough. And there was a report that recently came out about how tough it is for the dive travel industry. There's been this big push for us to dive close to home, which is fantastic. But there's a lot of places that there's only a limited number of people that live there, particularly in the epic dive spots that a lot of us fly to.

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And so and islands, you know, there are only a certain amount of people on islands, little islands.

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And how many people there are going to pay for live aboards and all that kind of stuff. So there's some pretty grim statistics that have been coming out. Um, the Cayman Compass, which is a sounds like a really fun little paper in the Cayman Islands, reports that 80% of Cayman Island Tourism Association members are closed permanently, which is rough. Even places like Palau, which is obviously on everyone's dream list for scuba diving at least, they've had no cases of COVID. But the reason is they've been under complete lockdown. So this is a quote that we have no business at all and are just waiting for it to be over. And even some of the Indonesian liveabores, which have some of the best diving in the world, are now no longer offering refunds because they cannot afford to do that. So which is rough for both them and understandable, but also rough for people that have put down deposits. The big question is like, how do we get back to the place where we're open again? How long is that going to take? And how many people will survive until that point? And that's obviously a it's a grim story to report in the dive industry, which is super impacted by this.

SPEAKER_05 6:06

Absolutely. And like with all travel right now, there's so many people who are affected peripherally who we don't even think about. And I I feel like things have to be opening up here soon, as so many people are getting vaccinated, as we're hearing about the different vaccinations that are being approved worldwide. I feel optimism for later this year. And what I'm hoping for, especially for so many of these dive operators who have had to quote unquote permanently shut their doors, is that we're gonna have a rush, a mad rush of people just going bonkers to travel. And it will just make up for there will be this blossoming, this, this I'm imagining like a nuclear bomb goes off and there's this mushroom cloud, and it's because so many people are traveling again. And I really hope many people who maybe thought they couldn't come back will be able to.

SPEAKER_08 6:57

Yeah, one of the things my wife talks about, she's a big fan of history, and she talks about the Roaring Twenties from the 1920s. And the Roaring Twenties came obviously after both the end of World War I, but also the end of the Spanish flu. And the Spanish flu plays a much larger part we're all kind of discovering in history than we kind of really understood. But the fact was that after a few years of just really grim times back then, people went kind of crazy. They just when they were had their freedom again, that they were able to kind of like go out and explore the world and and live life as much as they could. And I can't help but think this is kind of what we've been hanging our head on is that this is gonna happen as well, both just going to restaurants, but also for us to get back in the water around the world. My wife and I are already starting to buy dive guides for different parts of the world. So we're making our plan to do that.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

Good for you. Hey, you know what? I love the optimism. And being an idealist as I am, I really feel like we will bounce back from this. I know that right now it's hard to see the forest or the kelp blades for the the trees or the kelp forest, but I really think that our dive industry will thrive once again and maybe even in new ways we never fathomed possible.

SPEAKER_08 8:04

Ooh, good one, good one. Okay, so what's next?

SPEAKER_05 8:08

Well, well, well, well, Jason. There is a report that the UK coroner is critical of full-face snorkeling masks. So specifically, these full-face snorkeling masks that we've seen popping up over the past, might say like five to ten years. Apparently, a 56-year-old British gentleman was snorkeling in Australia and perished while wearing one of these masks. And the UK coroner basically condemned these masks, saying that they were ill-fitting and that it deprived him of oxygen when this mask began to leak. So I do know that there are off-brand companies making these masks. There are a lot of different manufacturers producing them. They seemed like this wonderful thing to make people who might not feel comfortable in the water feel better going diving or snorkeling rather. It's not for diving, it's for snorkeling. But uh, I do know that there are some that are producing one-way valves and with a purge valve. So you can only get fresh air into it. And then when you exhale, it goes out of a uh another purge valve, a separate valve. I think people just need to do their due diligence if they choose to wear these masks to make sure that these are truly safe for use and that they're not just recycling your carbon dioxide.

SPEAKER_08 9:19

I gotta say that, and I understand that there's a there's a safety issue around here for sure, but I do think it is addressing something that, you know, you're deep in the industry, you are a professional diver, you're a professional free diver. You have all these friends that are super high hardcore leg divers that are really understanding of the way that it works. I float around in the water and get kicked around by the waves. So I have a kind of a different perspective than some of the more professional people, but I do think that that one of the obstacles for a lot of people getting in the water who have never done it is the idea of like, you know, it's just the gear and putting stuff in your mouth and it's a good job. So I like the idea of trying to address this problem. The more obstacles we can remove to people getting in the water, I think in some ways we'll raise the awareness around what the o what's happening in the ocean. I know there's many sides to that argument as well. I'm fully cognizant of that, but I do think that if we're just talking strictly about getting people in the water so they have an awareness of what's going on there, the more of the things that we can find like this that are safe. I just like the idea behind this. I just like the idea of what they're trying to do with it, right?

SPEAKER_05 10:19

Yeah, oh, absolutely. And I agree if it's engineered in a way that is going to be easy to use, intuitive, and safe. I am glad that there are manufacturers out there who are doing the right thing and getting it approved. For example, Body Glove is one of the brands I know who did, because I I went to them and I said, Oh no, you're making these. And they said, no, no, ours are different. And they explained they have done all these safety measures. So yeah, it's an interesting thing to consider.

SPEAKER_08 10:45

Cool. Well, let's talk about some piece of equipment that's actually working well. Because you have another story over there, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Uh yes, please. Yes, I do. So this is very exciting. I don't have a Google Pixel phone, but now there is a housing, a dive housing for that phone made by Kraken Sports. And Kraken Sports are a company that has made really awesome gear to take usually topside gear underwater. And I know my friend and uh former interviewee on the Deeper Blue podcast, Kinga Phillips, has loved and raved about her Kraken housing for her iPhone that she just got within the past couple of years. And it just it is, it's a very simple way to turn this very compact device that now, as we know, especially with the newer phones, they rival the capabilities of the really high-end DSLRs. Yeah, yeah. Google Pixel phones, they now have one for the Google Pixel, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_08 11:42

That's super cool. Yeah. Well, I feel like Steven gets on me because every single time we do the news, I mentioned I'm a commercial photographer, but I am. So I will say it again. My portfolio actually has some iPhone photos in it. So uh cameras on these phones is pretty epic. So the idea of just having a smartphone case that allows you to take great photos underwater, that's awesome. Love it. That's great. Okay, so here's I've got probably my favorite story since we've started the season. This is about a husband and wife team of fish thieves that went awry. Tell me more. Stephen Howard and Yukako Toriyama live in Hawaii and they are fish thieves. They would go out to coral reefs and they would steal fish illegally to take into the aquarium trade, right? Oh. So they went out with another diver. So I guess Steven is the boat driver, and Yukako is the actual grabber of fish.

SPEAKER_05 12:36

He's got the getaway boat.

SPEAKER_08 12:37

Yeah, right. He's right. So he's waiting up top with you, and Yukako goes down with his other woman to go down and steal some fish. And the marine police show up. Hawaii's Board of Land and Natural Resources shows up. And they're their siren went off. And so Steven, the boat driver, takes off.

SPEAKER_05 12:58

Leaves the girls there.

SPEAKER_08 12:59

Leaves the girls underwater. Oh no. They chase him down, and they don't know there's someone in the water until later these women apparently they swam back to Kona. That's if I'm reading this article correctly, they swam back to Kona and they got busted there as well. So Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 13:14

So they deployed people on the beach waiting. I guess so.

SPEAKER_08 13:17

So my there's so many amazing parts of this story. The fact that first off, you you're thieves and then you take someone else along, and then you're the cops show up and your husband ditches you underwater. Like this is so messed up. But I just don't know what the conversation was when Yukako and Steven got back together and she was like, dude, dude, what excuse me, but Yeah, yeah. Isn't that crazy? I guess what you I guess it's den of thieves, right? It's the dena thieves.

SPEAKER_05 13:48

There's no If you're gonna steal fish and you know that there are native species that are tropical fish that are protected and it is illegal to do this, your moral compass is not facing true north anyway.

SPEAKER_08 13:59

That's exactly right. I mean, I don't know what you expect.

SPEAKER_05 14:02

Yeah, marrying someone of that ilk, I think you can anticipate being abandoned on a boat.

SPEAKER_08 14:07

That's exactly right. Well, so they have been fined $272,000 for you. And that's not even after they have done the full assessment of like the damage they did in the RM. That's just a fine that they have. So I think there is a sense of justice going on here. But again, you marry a thief. I don't know what you're gonna expect, but though the dive vote's gonna leave you. That's a mess done.

SPEAKER_05 14:31

Yeah, it's pretty bad. Pretty bad. I want and and what about that third accomplice, that uh that the other woman, you know? What about her?

SPEAKER_08 14:39

She was probably like you Kako, I told you Steven was never a good guy. I told you this. Um I told you.

SPEAKER_05 14:46

That's amazing. Wow.

SPEAKER_08 14:48

Yeah. Well, that covers it. Lyndon, thank you for stepping in for Steven. I know he appreciates it very much.

SPEAKER_05 14:54

So well, I uh Papa Smurf, if you're listening to this, we hope you're feeling better.

SPEAKER_08 14:58

Yeah, okay, on to the rest of the show. Thanks, Lyndon.

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Hi, I'm Paul Tuma, El Presidente, Raid International Training Agency. And you're listening to the best 30 minutes about diving. This is the Deeper Blue Podcast.

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Hi, this is Jason Elias, producer of the Deeper Blue Podcast. In today's episode, I speak with Sophie Morden, an underwater filmmaker and producer whose work includes Blue Planet 2, Hostile Planet, and dropping sometime later this year a Tiny World. And I caught up with her just as she was starting an entirely new series for Netflix about our world's oceans. Sophie was a very fun conversation, and she talked a bit about what it was like managing these complex blue chip wildlife films and how it had taken her around the world. But she also shared how even after all of her experiences underwater, even she sometimes finds herself amazed. And how one underwater experience in Raja Ompad in particular has stuck with her. Sophie, can you tell us a little bit about when you first remember connecting the ocean? Where does your connection to the ocean come from?

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I never grew up on the coast. I am a London girl, but I remember going down on holidays to places like Cornwall and spending all day just getting prune hands and freezing cold.

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So, how does diving for sea urchin shells lead to becoming an underwater film producer?

SPEAKER_00 16:29

So I actually kind of had a brief hiatus. I was always a total sort saltwater baby. Um, but I didn't get into diving until I was at university already, studying zoology. So already had a massive passion for wildlife. I had no idea I was going to be a filmmaker, but I was interested in animal behavior. And I went out to South Africa to do some species sampling in a land park and had the opportunity to go and do my open water in Sodana Bay, which is a pretty incredible place to do your first open water dives. And I was sort of hooked. And it actually wasn't till I was already working in the wildlife filmmaking industry that I took a bit of a break in the Andaman Islands and got so hooked, I basically stayed there and did my dive master and then came back into the industry and was like, no, I want to do underwater. So I went on a bit of a crash course. I, you know, I did my dry suit, I did my HC commercial, I dived every weekend, determined to prove to people that I could do the underwater role. And then Blue Planet 2 came along and I just knocked on their doors until they couldn't say no, basically.

SPEAKER_08 17:35

What does an underwater producer do? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 17:39

It's pretty broad and varied role. I am probably not the most experienced diver on the team. I am the person that is responsible for finding the stories, setting them up, directing in the field, and really crafting and telling great wildlife stories. It's incredibly demanding. I just did Tiny World, where we were doing a coral reef film, which was amazing. I was lucky enough to be out in some incredible destinations. And I would spend seven hours in the water a day. But it was also my job to watch through all the rushes in the evening and tell the guys what they needed to shoot the next day and focus on and how we can improve shots. And I think it really is being able to kind of balance all those things and then still be on point and safe in the water.

SPEAKER_08 18:21

For people that are listening that may not know, an underwater film producer in the documentary film world is the same thing as a director in other parts of the world. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 18:30

That is correct. I've heard people say you don't have directors in wildlife film, which is actually vastly unfair and untrue considering the huge leaps and bounds we've taken in storytelling and in wildlife film. But we're much smaller crews. So I always joke that you know you're mucking in, diving, making tea, crafting the story. At the end of the day, Buck stops with you in terms of bringing that story to life, but it is kind of a producer role and a director role.

SPEAKER_08 18:56

What's the coolest shoot you've ever been on?

SPEAKER_00 18:59

So many. It's really hard to choose. I actually didn't even get underwater for this one, but I was lucky enough to go and film the orca and whales feeding on herring in Norway. I'd actually been historically unlucky with orca sightings and never seen an orca, despite being at loads of locations where I should have. And suddenly I was there with two fishing boats and more than a hundred orca around our boat. And it was actually too windy to get the drone up, it was too dangerous to put the divers in. But I just was like, guys, we have to sit back. We are never gonna see anything like this in our lives again. That's got to be one of the coolest moments, I think.

SPEAKER_08 19:36

So you've obviously had some incredible experiences with all sorts of wildlife. But is there one experience underwater that you would say really epitomizes your connection to the ocean or something that really meant a lot to you?

SPEAKER_00 19:49

I'm an interesting one. I'm not someone who is a diver first. I've always loved diving. I love what diving brings to me in terms of peace of mind and feeling a connection with the ocean. But really, what I'm doing to dive is level the playing field with what I call the topside guys, the land guys who do the filming, who have the beauty of being able to spend every hour of daylight watching this animal and getting these sort of intricate behaviors. I finally got the opportunity to do that because I was working on the coral reef film, which was actually a really decent opportunity to be between five and 15 meters sitting on the bottom waiting for a fish to do something. That really opened up a whole new world for me. And I remember being in the Coral Triangle in 2019 on sort of my first big shoot in Dream World, the place that you always want to go as a diver or an avid animal behaviour underwater fan. We got to go to Rajaramput, which was life goals and everything. You can't really get better in terms of intact reefs. So we take these little panga boats out. I mean, you probably imagine this glamorous wildlife filming having some kind of fancy boat, but that's what you have in Rajaramput. You have a wooden panga and you take it out and you motor along and you take it down to your dive site. And I sat on a fair patch of sand, watching an animal in a barrow, but also just watching the whole reef. Firstly, the sound with a rebreather, hearing that kind of amazing cacophony of cracking and popping, and fish using their swim bladders to make sound and snapping shrimps popping off. And then seeing this whole world unveil itself in front of me in the way that I've only ever seen with topside being on the land, observing animals, but even better because marine animals will let you get a lot closer than land animals will. So there's one thing going on that we're filming, but then I see an octopus hunting over to my right, coming up pretty much next to my leg. I see blennies popping out of holes. And it was a really beautiful, sunny, reasonably cloudless day, which is not common out there. So actually. Being on the bottom, you've got those lovely sparkling light rays through the water. It was a real special moment. It is just incredible that you can actually observe behavior. And the exciting thing about that is we can then bring that to an audience that may never go underwater and may never normally connect with a fish. Also, as a filmmaker, sometimes you're so focused on the task in hand that you forget how lucky you are to be somewhere. And it was one of those moments where I pinched myself and was like, yes, this is my job, guys.

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Massive thanks to Cinto for sponsoring the season of the podcast. So today we want to have a quick chat about a Cinto app. So the Cinto app is pretty cool. Yeah, everyone's going to have an app these days, right? Even Deeper Blue's got an app. I don't know if we can add that in just as the podcast. We can do it the same way everyone. So you're wearing this fine piece of Finnish engineering from Cinto on your wrist. And you can now download stuff onto an app and it gets all your details. So it's not just about dive stuff, depth, time, where you were, those sorts of things, but you can share it with other people. So other people on the app, but you can also share it to social media.

SPEAKER_08 23:43

I spoke about this last season. I don't record any of my dives in my dialogue. I don't do any of that. I have no idea really where I've dived. I couldn't tell you really into the dive sites. And one of the things I like about this app is that it can actually record all that for you. It can do your profile, key facts like temperature, depth, dive time. You can add pictures. I'm sure there's a location thing to it as well. And as they say, sharing this on social media makes your friends jealous, which is, yeah, that's okay. I think more of the point is that the less I have to do in my life, the better I feel. So if I can go diving and just have this computer do everything for me, I can literally just get on board and have a beer. I think that then that sounds so much more interesting to me than actually writing in my dive log.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

So I haven't written a dive log in about 25 years. So uh yeah, yeah, yeah. No. So I I usually these days is just to tell how much weight I need to use because I've often put on weight since my last dive. So uh so I need to figure out how much weight I need to wear again. Right. Yeah, the Centre app can help with that sort of stuff. And I think the other cool thing, the Central app also tracks things like your smartwatch activity. So if you go jogging or running, if you do other activities in sports, it's not just about like the D5 is a smartwatch, it's not just a dive computer.

SPEAKER_08 24:54

Actually, the deeper thing that this thing's about to me, which I really like, is that Cinto is actually thinking ahead. I like that. I think that they're forward thinking around this kind of stuff. We are gone past the days of like giant metal tanks with an analog gauge on the side. Now we actually have these people that are actually building these things that are moving, pushing it forward, which I really appreciate. I really like that. And honestly, there's a lot of people that could say that the more information you have, the worse things are. But I would say it's particularly around a technical sport like diving, free diving, regular diving, more information a lot of times is better. Having some records of all this kind of stuff, that's good. I applaud them for them. And if you allow me to post a Facebook and Instagram as a bonus and make all my friends jealous, then that's a that's another bonus. So thank you. As a professional photographer myself, Tony's tip resonated with me and really echoes what I tell a lot of young photographers, which is to train in mastering your craft.

SPEAKER_07 26:00

I think a very important underwater photography tip is it has become extremely popular to buy a camera these days, especially when you already know the ocean, you already know the water, and you want to share it with the world. But there is something very helpful to shooting underwater, and that is to shoot on land as well. Imagine you are learning to set up your equipment and you can only do it while you're floating. Or imagine having to learn new information and you're studying for an exam, and the only time you get to study is when you're in the water. Those mistakes that you make are going to be much more difficult to resolve when you are floating, worrying about the ocean or you're underwater, whether you're on scuba or free diving, or worrying about current or air consumption or NDLs. You make those mistakes on land first. When you get in the water, you won't make them again, or if you do, you will fix them to you without even thinking about it. It's so valuable.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Finally, every episode we share a story from you, the dive community, where we ask you to tell us about your best dive ever.

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Hello, dear listeners. This is Tick Severenson, founder of Breathology, four-time freediving world champion, multiple greenness world record holder, and just lover of the ocean. Lover of holding my breath, and of course teaching conscious breath training to the world. That's why I created Brithology many years ago. I'm now in Dubai on a sunny afternoon, and I would like to share my wonderful experience. We all know as freedivers, we're blessed to dive around the world with beautiful sea creatures, manta rays, whale sharks, and wonderful people. But this particular dive really means something to me because it wasn't an incredible place in the blue hole, the deepest sinkhole in the world. We were at William True Bridge Vertical Blue competition. I was there because I was helping and sponsoring with an American company so we could measure blood oxygen saturation to make some protocols before and after diving to make free diving even more safe related to lung squeeze. And I was there supporting William and all the free divers and doing scientific research. And then also Umberto Perissari was there, and actually also my publisher, uh Maurizio Russo. And because it was not very clear that they have bit of current and particles in the water, I suggested we did a silhouette picture. Then was first, of course, with the camera down to 25, 30 meters. Then I went down on a bird to follow. And it was just so special to be leading the dive with my hero, with my master, with my mentor and friend Umberto Perizzari. It was like bringing Insomma York, Jacques Mayol, his mentors, especially Jacques Mayol, and the whole big blue into the deep blue. So that was a great honor, and it was captured in an amazing, iconic photo by Dan. And it was just a very special, very special dive.

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We'd love to hear your story about diving. So at the end of the show, you'll find out all the info you need to submit your best dive ever. Thanks for listening to the Deeper Blue Podcast. Find out more on all the stories you've heard this week, plus connect to the world's largest online dive community at deeperblue.com. And if you like what you've heard, please subscribe, like, and comment wherever you hear your podcasts. These comments and subscribes really make a difference. The DeeperBlue Podcast is brought to you by Sunto, Finnish Engineering, pioneering adventure from mountaintop to ocean floor since 1936. Sunto. Before we go, I want to give a big shout out to Jason Elias, our producer. In case you didn't know, he has an amazing podcast about people who have a deep connection to our world's oceans. Connections strong enough that they've dedicated some part of their lives to being in or working on behalf of the water. Take a listen when you get a moment to Jason's show, the Big Deep Podcast. Every week, we want to hear your stories and share them with the world. So please record and send in your short story of your best dive ever. Keep it brief, no longer than two minutes, please. And in it, tell us your name and location, where you were on the dive, what happened that make it so great, and why it's meant so much to you. You can get that over to us at bestdiveever at deeperblue.com or head to our website podcast.deeperblue.com forward slash best dive ever. Join us again next week and explore much more of the Deeper Blue.